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Before jumping to the conclusion that gadgets should be "powered by electricity from coal," I think one needs to examine the CO2 costs of the *batteries* almost all gadgets use to store power. And the often-inefficient transformers that are used to charge those batteries. 

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For a desktop calculator, at least, the PV modules are often *in place* of batteries. If other devices can have smaller batteries by adding solar panels for more frequent recharging, the CO2 cost might go down ... probably not enough to pay itself back in the three-year lifespan of the device, but perhaps bringing it out of the "insane" level.Spiders, Snakes, Worms, Life Under Ways to grow, expand, and explore, words in waves, salads.The one that writes the stories rules. Here I am. MENTAL HEALTH IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.

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Maybe most gadgets with PV have the same size batteries as if they had no PV, but to assume that you can attach a coal plant directly to your cellphone (or even to a land line telephone, which has lots of batteries at the telco) seems like jumping to conclusions too quickly.

I don't have PV on my house yet ... first has been a reduction to 60 kWh/mo of electricity, now is installing a 1.6 GPM shower head, and next will be a solar thermal collector to heat the house and water (I still consume at least 10 therms of gas each month in the cooler months).

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On Sunday, March 6, 2022, 02:05:36 PM PST, Sarah Jarrot <sjarrot@yahoo.com> wrote:

Before jumping to the conclusion that gadgets should be "powered by electricity from coal," I think one needs to examine the CO2 costs of the *batteries* almost all gadgets use to store power. And the often-inefficient transformers that are used to charge those batteries. 

For a desktop calculator, at least, the PV modules are often *in place* of batteries. If other devices can have smaller batteries by adding solar panels for more frequent recharging, the CO2 cost might go down ... probably not enough to pay itself back in the three-year lifespan of the device, but perhaps bringing it out of the "insane" level.

Maybe most gadgets with PV have the same size batteries as if they had no PV, but to assume that you can attach a coal plant directly to your cellphone (or even to a land line telephone, which has lots of batteries at the telco) seems like jumping to conclusions too quickly.

I don't have PV on my house yet ... first has been a reduction to 60 kWh/mo of electricity, now is installing a 1.6 GPM shower head, and next will be a solar thermal collector to heat the house and water (I still consume at least 10 therms of gas each month in the cooler months).

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